I am usually a size 10-12 and ordered a 12 initially. They looked small at the waist when I took them out of the packaging. I couldn’t even get these up to my waist let alone consider doing these up. The 14 was not much better, and the 16 for round the waist but was then baggy in other places. No wonder women become so body conscious when sizes for different brands are so ridiculously different.